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My question is about the following perplexing passage of Plato's “Sophist,” in which young Theaetetus and the Stranger of Elea, a disciple of Eleatic philosophy, debate about certain problems of the Parmenidean conception of Being.

Stranger: You follow close at my heels, Theaetetus. For the right method, I conceive, will be to call into our presence the dualistic philosophers and to interrogate them. 'Come,' we will say, 'Ye, who affirm that hot and cold or any other two principles are the universe, what is this term which you apply to both of them, and what do you mean when you say that both and each of them "are"? How are we to understand the word "are"? Upon your view, are we to suppose that there is a third principle over and above the other two,—three in all, and not two? For clearly you cannot say that one of the two principles is being, and yet attribute being equally to both of them; for, if you did, whichever of the two is identified with being, will comprehend the other; and so they will be one and not two.'

Theaetetus: Very true.

Stranger: But perhaps you mean to give the name of 'being' to both of them together?

Theaetetus: Quite likely.

Stranger: 'Then, friends,' we shall reply to them, 'the answer is plainly that the two will still be resolved into one.'

Theaetetus: Most true.

Stranger: 'Since, then, we are in a difficulty, please to tell us what you mean, when you speak of being; for there can be no doubt that you always from the first understood your own meaning, whereas we once thought that we understood you, but now we are in a great strait. Please to begin by explaining this matter to us, and let us no longer fancy that we understand you, when we entirely misunderstand you.' There will be no impropriety in our demanding an answer to this question, either of the dualists or of the pluralists?

Theaetetus: Certainly not.

Stranger: And what about the assertors of the oneness of the all—must we not endeavour to ascertain from them what they mean by 'being'?

Theaetetus: By all means.

Stranger: Then let them answer this question: One, you say, alone is? 'Yes,' they will reply.

Theaetetus: True.

Stranger: And there is something which you call 'being'?

Theaetetus: 'Yes.'

Stranger: And is being the same as one, and do you apply two names to the same thing?

Theaetetus: What will be their answer, Stranger?

Stranger: It is clear, Theaetetus, that he who asserts the unity of being will find a difficulty in answering this or any other question.

Theaetetus: Why so?

Stranger: To admit of two names, and to affirm that there is nothing but unity, is surely ridiculous?

Theaetetus: Certainly.

Stranger: And equally irrational to admit that a name is anything?

Theaetetus: How so?

Stranger: To distinguish the name from the thing, implies duality.

Theaetetus: Yes.

Stranger: And yet he who identifies the name with the thing will be compelled to say that it is the name of nothing, or if he says that it is the name of something, even then the name will only be the name of a name, and of nothing else.

It is this last line by the Stranger that I have serious difficulties with. What is “identifying the name with the thing” even supposed to mean?

Yes, we distinguish between the name and the thing. How could we ever get around that distinction?

Does it have something to do with the special case that we are talking about the One Being as a whole, of which the name itself would be part of?

I'm utterly confused or suffer from a lack of imagination here. And so I also don't get the point of the counterargument.

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Stranger: And yet he who identifies the name with the thing will be compelled to say that it is the name of nothing, or if he says that it is the name of something, even then the name will only be the name of a name, and of nothing else.

OP: "What is “identifying the name with the thing” even supposed to mean?"

Interpreting through modern ontology, Theaetetus and Stranger are debating whether being is a unitary principle or a multiplicity. Discriminated phenomena such as hot and cold are carved out from unconditioned reality—or 'being', or nameless totality—and given names which only have relevance to humans.

The unconditioned totality is not discriminated, is not observed, so does not itself appear. What is observed may be hot, which is a name of something discriminated: a part carved out from the unconditioned totality.

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The discussion involves several puzzles about being vs not-being and one vs many: a sort of deconstruction of Presocratics main doctrines.

We have to record [ 240b ]: "Stranger And the not true is the opposite of the true? Theaetetus Of course. Stranger That which is like, then, you say does not really exist, if you say it is not true. Theaetetus But it does exist, in a way. Stranger But not truly, you mean."

Here the puzzle is about speaking of "the false", or about non-existent things: how can we predicate anything about something that does not exist?

Then follows a critique of Parmenides and other Presocratics's idea about the fundamental components or reality: [ 242c ]: "Stranger It seems to me that Parmenides and all who ever undertook a critical definition of the number and nature of realities have talked to us rather carelessly. Theaetetus How so? Stranger Every one of them seems to tell us a story, as if we were children. One says there are three principles, that some of them are sometimes waging a sort of war with each other, [...] And the Eleatic sect in our region, beginning with Xenophanes and even earlier, have their story that all things, as they are called, are really one. [...] [ 243b ] "Stranger When one of them says in his talk that many, or one, or two are, or have become, or are becoming, and again speaks of hot mingling with cold, and in some other part of his discourse suggests separations and combinations, for heaven's sake, Theaetetus, do you ever understand what they mean by any of these things?"

And then the discussione comes to the word "being" itself: [ 243d ]: "Theaetetus What do you mean? Or, obviously, do you mean that we must first investigate the term “being,” and see what those who use it think it signifies? Stranger [...] Come now, all you who say that hot and cold or any two such principles are the universe, what is this that you attribute to both of them when you say that both and each are? What are we to understand by this “being” (or “are”) of yours? [...] do you wish to call both of them together being? [...] But, friends, we will say, even in that way you would very clearly be saying that the two are one."

And here is another puzzle: if there is a plurality of beings, how is it possible to predicate "being" of both of them?

[ 244b ] Theaetetus It is rather ridiculous to assert that two names exist when you assert that nothing exists but unity. Stranger Then let them answer this question: Do you say that one only is? [...] Well then, do you give the name of being to anything? [...] Is it what you call “one,” using two names for the same thing, or how is this? [...] It is rather ridiculous to assert that two names exist when you assert that nothing exists but unity.

So, in the end, if there is no "real" plurality, but only one being ("the" one), a language that is fatithful to reality must use one name only for it.

And here is the last twist in the Stranger's argument: also names are, and thus, if we reject plurality we have to conclude that name and thing are one and the same.

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    I'm unable cannot see why we cannot have twenty names for the same thing. If the name is not the thing then no problems arise. But Being implies non-Being, and both names would have to be used for the One if we wish to avoid dualism and partial views. Perhaps the use of names is not the problem, but the use of names that are inherently dualistic. Commented Jun 3 at 11:09

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