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There is a flow sensor (volume of air per unit of time) AWM92100V.

The principle of its operation:

There is a heater, there are 2 thermistors on both sides of it. The air flow cools the 1st thermistor, and the air heated by the heater blows onto the 2nd. The measured value is obtained from thermistors.

Datasheet recommends a heater control circuit with an operational amplifier. The painted is the inside of the sensor, the rest is the external components, Rh is the heater (I omit the measuring part with thermistors). It is absolutely clear how this works: the op-amp maintains a constant temperature of the heater by maintaining its resistance equal to Rr+1k.

But I don't understand the purpose of resistors R2 and R3 at all. Can anyone clarify?

Moreover, in one version of the datasheet, the value of R3 is indicated as 1.82k, and in the other 182k.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Diusha - Hi, (a) Please edit the question and add links to the (two?) different versions of the datasheet which you mention. (b) Please add a link to the manufacturer's webpage for that device. (c) Please add a link to the source webpage of that schematic image (unless you created it yourself). TY (As you seem to be new here, please also see the tour & help center as site rules here differ from typical forums.) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 14:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ in the ideal, no current flows through R3, so it's value doesn't make a difference. Larger resistors introduce larger Johnson Noise, though. In any case, I recommend using the value from the more recent data sheet. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 16:09
  • \$\begingroup\$ SamGibson - (b) The manufacturer site is www.honeywell.com, but unfortunately, I can't visit it right now, I get the "Access Denied" message. That's why (a) I can't add links. But I could attach the pdf files I downloaded earlier, but I don't know how to do it. (c) I created the image myself by redrawing it from the datasheet in a more readable way. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 17:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ Scott Seidman - I would like to understand the principle of choosing the value of R3, because I may use a different op-amp. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 17:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Diusha - Thanks for replying. Re: (a) This site only allows for image uploads to the site itself, not PDFs or other non-image files. That is why I asked for the links to be added. || When you have access to the necessary website(s), please do add those links. TY (FYI on this website, please use the @username syntax explained here when replying to someone else's comment, so that they get an inbox notification of your reply. There's more useful info in the FAQ.) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 17:53

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If the op-amp ran from dual supplies, there would be three possible output voltages that can produce a balanced situation: -

  • A positive level of the right amount to make the thermal stuff balance
  • When the output is at 0 volts (unwanted and useless)
  • A negative level of the right amount to make the thermal stuff balance

So, R2 prevents the situation where balance is obtained when the op-amp output drives towards zero volts. R2 (as a pull-up) makes this an impossibility (for the op-amp in question) and, ensures that the only true balance is obtained with the right amount of heater current to null the circuit. Because R2 is biasing the output a little positively, the negative balance is also impossible to achieve.

See also Puzzled by op-amp behavior in a temperature controller circuit

R3 probably compensates for input bias currents to give a more accurate balance. As to whether its value is 1k82 or 182k I suspect it is meant to be 1k82 because, the bridge-limb formed by Ra and the heater resistor (Rh) is around 200 Ω whereas the other limb is likely to be much higher (maybe 2 kΩ). So, for older bipolar op-amps (that have significant input bias current), R3 somewhat balances-out the effects of those currents.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Andy aka – Thank you for your answer. The supply is unipolar. As for R2, I had the same assumption, but I am confused by the question of how a 5-kilohm resistor can "defeat" the output of the op-amp. In the example "Puzzled by op-amp behavior in a temperature controller circuit" you gave, it is understandable, because the resistor would not have to "compete" with the op-amp output. As for R3, I seem it does not compensate, but rather decompensates input bias currents. Without R3, both inputs see the same resistance (Rr+1k)||Rb in normal operation. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 17:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ Andy aka – Ra=Rb=5k6, Rr=3k8. So, Rh should be Rr+R1=4k8 in normal operation. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 17:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Diusha an op-amp on a unipolar supply might be able to drop its output to close enough to 0 volts that it manages a "false" balance due to input offset voltage errors but, given that the output impedance in saturation might be a hundred or so ohms, the 5 k pull-up is enough to keep the output from dropping close enough to 0 volts thus avoiding the false balance. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 17:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you, everything is clear with R2. But there is still a question with R3. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 4 at 18:21
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    \$\begingroup\$ Of course, R3 is for bias current equalization. My measurements of Ra, Rb and Rr were wrong. The correct values are Ra=560 ohms, Rb=3k7, Rr=5k7. With these values and the presence of R3, the resistances visible from both op-amp inputs are equal. Thank you and I'm sorry for my carelessness. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 18 at 22:08
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Introduction

Seeing that you are showing more than a usual interest in an unfamiliar circuit, I decided to write this elaborate story for you.

Actually, this sophisticated circuit solution is not new. I first saw it in the Bulgarian translation of Clayton's Operational amplifiers book in the early 80s: Clayton, G. B. (1979). Operational amplifiers (2nd ed.). Newnes-Butterworths. Back then, I did not pay it much attention, but much later I saw it again in the even more mysterious circuits of negative impedance converters (NIC), and only then did I grasp the clever idea. Let's see what it is.

Clayton (in Bulgarian)_450

I will reveal the idea in successive steps, illustrating them with CircuitLab simulations. The schematics are conceptual; they contain elements with sample values.

Bridge viewpoint

Single-ended voltage divider

With two identical resistors R1 and R2 in series, we can make the most common voltage divider circuit. Its input voltage Vin and output voltage Vout are referenced to ground: Vout = Vin * R2/(R1 + R2).

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STEP 1.1

Its attenuation is only 0.5. If we need to significantly reduce it, we will have to use a very large ratio between the resistances of the two resistors.

Differential voltage divider

But we can achieve the same result without significantly increasing the resistance ratio by adding a second voltage divider and subtracting its output voltage from the voltage of the first divider. Thus, the output voltage represents a small difference between two large, but closely valued, quantities: Vout = Vin * R2/(R1 + R2) - Vin * R4/(R3 + R4). In this way, we have actually invented the famous Wheatstone bridge, but used in a slightly less traditional way, where we vary its supply voltage as the input quantity. Thus, this "coupled divider" has a single-ended input and a differential output.

Non-inverting divider: R2/(R1 + R2) > R4/(R3 + R4). If we now slightly decrease the resistance R4...

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...the output differential voltage Vout will represent a very small portion of the input voltage Vin (significant attenuation), and its polarity will be positive. The circuit represents a positively unbalanced Wheatstone bridge or a non-inverting divider.

STEP 1.2.1

Zero-gain divider: R2/(R1 + R2) = R4/(R3 + R4). Then, if we make the resistance R4 equal to the others...

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... the output differential voltage Vout will be 0 V (infinite attenuation), regardless of the input voltage value. The circuit represents a balanced Wheatstone bridge.

STEP 1.2.2

Inverting divider: R2/(R1 + R2) < R4/(R3 + R4). Finally, if we slightly increase the resistance R4...

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...the output differential voltage Vout will represent a very small portion of the input voltage Vin (significant attenuation), but its polarity will be negative. The circuit represents a negatively unbalanced Wheatstone bridge or an inverting divider.

STEP 1.2.3

So, the attenuator implemented with a Wheatstone bridge has the property of passing the input voltage with the same polarity or inverted.

Feedback viewpoint

Now, let's apply all this wisdom in an op-amp circuit, where we force the op-amp to behave in a specific way by connecting through a voltage divider its output to one of the inputs (we introduce feedback). Also, we have to apply a (part of the) input voltage Vin to the input.

Positive feedback

If we connect the voltage divider to the non-inverting input, the feedback is "positive".

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As a result, the op-amp vigorously moves away from equilibrium, and eventually its output voltage reaches the supply rail.

STEP 2.1

Negative feedback

Conversely, if we connect its output to the inverting input, the feedback is "negative".

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The op-amp strives for equilibrium and eventually achieves it.

STEP 2.2

Mixed feedback

In the OP's circuit, something unusual is done – the op-amp output is connected through two dividers to both the non-inverting and the inverting inputs. This creates the bridge circuit from above, where the resulting differential voltage is the difference between the two divider's voltages. The feedback is "mixed".

Dominating positive feedback: If Schematic 1.2.1 is used (non-inverting divider), the resulting feedback is positive.

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STEP 2.3.1

Dominating negative feedback: If Schematic 1.2.3 is used (inverting divider), the resulting feedback is negative.

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STEP 2.3.2

Varying negative feedback:

The OP's circuit is even more sophisticated. In it, there is a small constant input voltage Vin. The air flow cools the heater (the resistor R4) and thus tries to decrease its resistance. The op-amp, however, senses this disturbance through its inverting input and starts to compensate for it. For this purpose, it increases its output voltage thus increasing the resistance R4 until it balances the bridge (the heater has a positive temperature coefficient, meaning that as its temperature increases, it increases its resistance).

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The interesting thing is that at the first moment when the power is switched on, the heater is cold; R4 is very low (< 1 kΩ), and the feedback is positive. When the filament heats up sufficiently, ​R4 exceeds 1 kΩ, the feedback becomes negative, and from that moment on, R4 = R2*R3/R1, accordingly its temperature, is maintained constantly. This provides some advantages in flow measurement which is not the subject of our consideration here.

STEP 2.3.3

The role of R2

This single-supply op-amp circuit must be biased, i.e., an input voltage must be applied. I used one of the possible (correct) ways by inserting the input voltage Vin into the R1-R2 divider.

Another (correct) way can be to inject a small current through a resistor into the input circuit, as shown in this question.

However, the method shown here, by applying current through resistor R2 to the op-amp output and the bridge input, is incorrect because the output behaves as a voltage source with very low resistance (I saw in one of your comments that you also noticed this and I support it).

Related answers

Here are links to three of my answers related to this topic:

Opamp circuits with feedback resistor connected to both inverting and non inverting terminal

Why can't the following configuration be considered negative feedback?

How a wheatstone bridge is used in operational amplifiers?

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